A coworker sent this to our internal mailing list, partially to goad me into responding to the stupid comments. I don’t have an ars account, so I’ll just hope that trackbacks work.
Here are the arguments that someone actually put effort into making:
If you think it’s magic you clearly don’t understand it. That’s not really an argument. I agree that sometimes it’s confusing, but sometimes programming is hard. Sorry?
I agree, this sucks, but I hit it rarely enough that it doesn’t discount the language.
I can’t relate with this. I just have never needed to pass anything other than a scalar by value, and those are pass by value. I can see that it’s a real issue for games and whatnot though. Also realize this argues against the poster’s language of choice.
f) No built-in include or require functionality. Seriously, still. Third-party libraries exist but almost all of them have some kind of bug or another, not least of which is a confusing caching problem in at least Chrome making doing actual development a pain in the butt.
g) Dynamic typing. Yes, I’m willing to start that argument. You start noticing it the most the second you stop writing little Web apps or Web pages and start writing large apps where you actually have data that persists for longer than a single mouse click or request/response cycle: add the wrong kind of object to an array to process later and get a crash later from a missing method or member in a completely different bit of code than where the actual mistake was. Fun times. Yes, Java makes static typing seem evil. No, Java/C#/C++ are not the one and only way to do static typing. Type inference, implicit interface binding, etc. give you all the “easy to deal with and not a lot of keystrokes” advantages of dynamic typing without all the bugs. The second most popular Web language — ActionScript 3 — is statically typed, in fact, despite otherwise being identical to JS/ECMAScript. As an aside, I get more crashes from the Python apps on my Fedora desktop than I do from the C/C++ apps (actually, none of the C/C++ apps on my desktop crash, now that I think about it). Missing member exceptions == so much easier to develop and maintain apps, right?
I don’t think I’ve had a type issue in our “large [app] where [we] actually have data that persists for longer than a single mouse click” for longer than a typo.
Nice! So the poster says: “JS is fast, but not as fast as C and the things that made it fast were taken from other VM’s so it doesn’t really count.” Ok Mr. C#, I’m sure you’re correct since C# is entirely original research Also, is C# as fast as C?
Yeah, that’s a real thing I guess, but I’m not the target user of IntelliSense anyway.
The fact that it’s the most widely deployed VM in the world isn’t an advantage? The fact that there are three major VM’s leading to healthy competition and improvements isn’t an advantage? The fact that it’s in all browsers right now (unlike some crazy future where browsers need to implement C or (good lord!) C++ safely) isn’t a feature?